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Old 05-27-2010, 08:05 AM
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He Tuddi, good package!
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Old 05-27-2010, 04:30 PM
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I'm very happy that you have done this project, it's very interesting simple and effective, but I'm affraid it's a bit expensive, beacause :
-it seems that there will not be future realeses for FPP
-krpano is going beyond limits of FPP & full support & development
-krpano is 130 euros with tools and mobile devices license
-krpano have all the security points you can do with your soft

I know you have your price and it's very costly building this, also that it's not a lot of money and you can pay it with few projects, but if FPP is going nowhere it have no sense.

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Old 05-27-2010, 07:14 PM
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I'm very happy that you have done this project, it's very interesting simple and effective, but I'm affraid it's a bit expensive, beacause :
-it seems that there will not be future realeses for FPP
You are wrong..

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-krpano is going beyond limits of FPP & full support & development
Wrong again.
altho I know Krpano has functions that fpp does not have. FPP still has more features as KRpano

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-krpano is 130 euros with tools and mobile devices license
but not with unlimited domains the it will cost you 65 more. and not with google plugin. another 15 if I am right.
Edit.. I see it changed so you are right..... hmm might get intersting now

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-krpano have all the security points you can do with your soft
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Old 05-27-2010, 10:35 PM
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-it seems that there will not be future realeses for FPP
Appearances can be deceiving, but I absolutely agree that we have had no reason to think differently lately, so your assessment is understandable.

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-krpano is going beyond limits of FPP & full support & development
There is no question that the support and development has been very active on KRP's side... and sadly FPP has not been able to show the same. But that development "craze" has simply brought KRP up to the level of FPP only a few short months ago, introducing distorted hotspots.
It also has things FPP doesn't have, but one can turn it around and truthfully say that FPP has had things for a couple of years, that KRP did not have... and vice versa. What does KRP offer in plugins or GUI ? Not much. But each software does have something the other doesn't.


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-krpano is 130 euros with tools and mobile devices license
Obviously I have no influence on their prices, nor does Denis. A good tool is always worth it's value, if it works well. I can buy an electric drilling machine for €1000, and it would probably last me a lifetime, and if I need a professional tool that I know will have to be used 8 hours per day, 20+ days per month, it would be pure stupidity to buy some cheap chinese tool, or a good hobby tool. It would be waste of money. I am sure KRP is worth it's price, even when it doesn't have a proper gui. That will come at an additional price when it is ready and released, and will be worth it's price, no doubt.

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-krpano have all the security points you can do with your soft
Yes, but do you apply the domain lock, time limit, encryption of xml and images to a ... say... 40 pano tour, in 90 seconds, including the time it takes to encrypt all the images? No? Well, Pano Cocoon does use that exact time on my worn down PC. What I am getting at, is that time is money. My programmer costs me money. Your time costs your clients money. If you can save on your time, you can either make more money when selling your projects, or ... you can cut down your price and sell your work cheaper. I think most people would simply pocket the extra money rather than giving it to their clients... but I might be wrong.

Pano Cocoon is not free, nor is it cheap... I know that, but It is a professional tool, for professional people, delivering professional results, and with such a tool, professionals are happy. Just ask them

In KRP you can buy the google maps plugin for €19 plus taxes. A very fair price if you ask me. But if you want to customize your google maps, you need to pay €99 plus taxes. That is actually quite a bite... but still, if the tool satisfies the professional users, then it is worth whatever price it has.

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I know you have your price and it's very costly building this, also that it's not a lot of money and you can pay it with few projects, but if FPP is going nowhere it have no sense.
Unfortunately things/time does cost money... I have just began my career as a capitalist with a capital "F"... always having been a socialist/communist/anarchist .... but now I am in the opposite ditch. Not because I want to, but because I have to. Anyone who disagrees should try to move to a 3rd world country, have 4 kids, wife, housemaid and a few more mouths to feed... and then convince me that I am doing something wrong I know that the majority does understand that I have to try to make ends meet.

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...but if FPP is going nowhere it have no sense.
I absolutely agree, and not only would it be foolish to make Pano Cocoon, but it would also be foolish to continue developing Flashificator for some abandonware. Yet I am doing both.

Without saying anything more at this time, the above should be a clear indication of me knowing something that justifies my continued engagement in the development.

I have been "out there", frustrated and generally out of patience because of "nothing happening" on the FPP engine front. But that is not the case any longer.

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Have good luck with sales
Thank you, and good luck with all your current and future projects.
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Old 05-28-2010, 08:59 AM
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I'm affraid I gave a wrong idea of my real plans and feelings

I'm absolutely a pro FPP user, I actually love it, and even I used to get happy when I saw a car with the license plate and FPP in it....

I'm just very worried of not having further support and development and just falling obliged to switch to other soft.

I think that is almost 12 months since the new version should have been released, and still have no news or something, or beta or gammas or epsilons....

I would buy your soft very happily Tuddy but if I'm not gonna use FPP anymore I won't...

I hope very soon Dennis will give us a big surprise and bring to the top of the rank FPP again....

sorry for any inconvenience

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Old 05-28-2010, 09:20 AM
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No no no .... I completely understood you correctly, and I know that you are a FPPro user and didn't mean anything bad. If my reply has indicated otherwise, I better reschool my response technique

If ANYONE from the FPP community has not been at least worried about the future of FPP, I would be very very surprised. I have been in contact with many users over the past year or so, who have expressed their worries and plans of changing a player etc. People do of course worry when the competition moves on, and we "don't".

In that regard, I would have to be realistic and say that FPP as a panorama solution, has moved lightyears ahead, with 3rd party plugins, while the engine has stayed the same... but because the engine is the same, with a promise of an update that never made it, we can feel as if we are lost behind the plow.

Realistically, what would it take to make "everyone" feel that things were back on track? In my view, it would have to involve a good tiled multi resolution solution as the most important part. In second place there should be pano video capability... On 3rd place there should be ?? More regular communication? I think those 3 issues would actually make most people feel good again, and not have the need to change over to anything else. And of course continued improvement would be welcome, with better documentation (who am I to speak of better documentation for anything? )

Can anyone relate to that "3 plan wishlist" for a restart?.. or is it just me who has the wrong finger on the wrong pulse?

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Old 05-28-2010, 03:08 PM
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I can't speak for anyone else but I personally have the same concern Jordi has expressed here. I have also had people contacting me for advice many of whom have switched players. So don't feel bad Jordi, I think your concerns are felt by many.

My request list for the health of FPP would be as follows:

1. Communication and general development
2. Multi resolution
3. Multi frame pano development
4. Mobile development
5. Projection Types

Truasti what do you mean by pano video capability?
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Old 05-28-2010, 09:01 PM
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pano video=360 video capability.

And what do you mean by "Multi fram pano development"?
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Old 05-29-2010, 01:05 AM
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Sorry the multi frame example can be found here. http://krpano.com/panos/multiframe/toyota/ I like the concept but I think it needs some work.

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That is already in the brewing cettle on this end. The programmer started making a "street view" plugin months ago... but ran into heavy duty crap math problems (problems that even the Google Street View team has given up on... which is why the guiding lines in the streets are made disappear when you zoom in. He has not been given more time to spend on that project since then... it had already taken way too much lost time for my liking.

But this kind of walkthrough feature was planned to accompany the street view plugin.
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