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Old 12-05-2007, 01:01 AM
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Ouch!

Hmmm... Did you say "no thanx" when you purchased FPP for ?39.95? Just had to put that out there...

Cheers,
Nope, I said YES thanx to Denis and gladly paid him ?39.95 I paid Apple, Adobe, MS and some other developers but as I said i like idea of open source and communities like this forum.

Its quite funny when you introducing your ComboBox / Dropdown menu plugin in this thread: http://www.flashpanoramas.com/forum/...read.php?t=661

and now there is: DropDown Menu Plugin v2.0 available @your website $20:- Was it meant to be a paid plugin from the beginning ? Be honest now....
Are you a professional Flash developer/coder or photographer/designer just making plugins you need and now trying to take money from FPP users.

I believe lot of users could pay for a Lens Flare plugin, Tooltips and some other plugins available @flashpanoramas.com but still these are free and open source...and I say YES Thanx.

I just said No Thanx to your commercial website and trying to make money this way from users with no AS3 knowledge.
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Old 12-05-2007, 01:47 AM
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The site is about building a stronger community around fpp.
No! I do not believe that! You're splitting the community just for making profit. Bah!
Sorry Patrick, I do know your street credit. Therefore I' m surprised about your turn.
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This truly is about making FPP the best panoramic format available, which it already is, and it still can be better.
Wrong! This is not what you want! What you want is just profit !
Instead of helping here, developing some kind of (still lacking) Gui e.g., making FPP more useable for more people
[which really would make FPP a strong viewer-format] you (and a few others who suppose themeselfs pros) want to keep the secrets covered.
You want FPP to be a tool just for specialists.
So, for me, your 'story behind' is nothing but covering your real targets.
Don't call it a favour to the community, call it by it's name: business!

Sorry Denis, wrong friends! Take care of freeriders!

Hope, Thomas will make a big step foreward soon, to go back to Pano2VR.

Just my 2cents,
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:29 AM
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Nope, I said YES thanx to Denis and gladly paid him €39.95 I paid Apple, Adobe, MS and some other developers but as I said i like idea of open source and communities like this forum.

Its quite funny when you introducing your ComboBox / Dropdown menu plugin in this thread: http://www.flashpanoramas.com/forum/...read.php?t=661

and now there is: DropDown Menu Plugin v2.0 available @your website $20:- Was it meant to be a paid plugin from the beginning ? Be honest now....
No, mickmick, it wasn't -- but I put a lot of effort into it. While making it as good as it is now (which is pretty good ), I started thinking about Plugins, the work I was doing, and so on. I approached Zephyr, and he and I both thought an FPP Plugin site was a good idea.

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Are you a professional Flash developer/coder or photographer/designer just making plugins you need and now trying to take money from FPP users.
I'm a full-time "VR" Photographer and developer. I shoot 360 photography, and then "make it interactive" for my clients.

The plugins (currently only one, at this writing) I make available at the flashpanos.com site came into existence because I personally had a need for the functionality. Likewise, all the assistance I've given others (and asked for, too!) on this FlashPanoramas.com Forum site stems from a need.

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I believe lot of users could pay for a Lens Flare plugin, Tooltips and some other plugins available @flashpanoramas.com but still these are free and open source...and I say YES Thanx.

I just said No Thanx to your commercial website and trying to make money this way from users with no AS3 knowledge.
Well, again, mickmick -- the only reason you and I have access to the lens flare, tooltips, and other plugins which Denis provides is because you and I are already paid licensees of Flash Panoramas. When you purchase FPP, Denis guarantees you updates-for-life. Denis's plugins are just that -- the updates which he is providing. They are not free. You already paid for them.

Let me know when you have something useful, free and open source to contribute, mickmick, other than opinions.

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Wrong! This is not what you want! What you want is just profit !
Instead of helping here, developing some kind of (still lacking) Gui e.g., making FPP more useable for more people
[which really would make FPP a strong viewer-format] you (and a few others who suppose themeselfs pros) want to keep the secrets covered.
Klaus, the GUI has been very much discussed in another thread or two. It may be that Denis has a GUI coming -- but until then, we have the FPP forum; and we have a third-party plugin site for those who might be interested. (Thanks, Klaus, for spreading the word about FlashPanos.com yourself at http://panorama-forum.net , by the way . Also, why mention going back to Thomas Rauscher's Pano2VR in this forum? If you're going to do that anyway, then what do you care about FPP and my plugins for?) .

I have absolutely no real interest in keeping anything FPP secret or covered. If I receive enough negative input and ill will, I could be persuaded simply keep all of my innovations and insights to myself and not offer them to anyone at any price. This is precisely the stifling scenario which Zephyr and myself were hoping to avoid. I don't expect to make money from any plugins I sell -- but it might be enough money to encourage me to make more plugins.

I'll probably not respond to any more threads on this subject. This is horribly off-topic for the FPP forum, and merely taking up space. Anyone who wishes to respond to me is encouraged to do so personally, off-list -- whether it's mickmick, Klaus or someone else. I'm easy enough to find.
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Old 12-05-2007, 04:40 AM
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Default business...

having recently just made the leap from pano's as an long time expensive hobby to finally selling a few panos for what i feel my time is worth, i can now better sympathize with folks like denis, zephyr and patrick, who's hard work has made these tools available to us, and it does not seem unreasonable for them to expect to support themselves with these endeavors, we all gotta make a living somehow -

prob is, most pano-people seem to be hobbyists, generally not making much money if any on all this -

perhaps some kind of commercial/non-commercial pricing scheme, perhaps some limited functionality free/demo versions, etc, i imagine there will be free plugins as well, give them some time, the site only went up yesterday ?

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Old 12-05-2007, 05:31 AM
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Default Hi Sam!

Sam, good to see you here -- I remember your Jerusalem panoramas (very nice!).

Hope all is well!

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Old 12-05-2007, 11:43 AM
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Default Good job on Flashpanos

G'day Guys,

Good job on the new site & plugins. $25 is chickenfeed & I wouldn't even think about trying to develop a plugin (or similar functionality) when I can buy it for that price.

Anyways, well done and I may become a customer soon

Thanks,

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Old 12-05-2007, 12:30 PM
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Buying an available plugin is faster as developing for your own.
And it shouldn't be a problem to put these costs on the client's invoice...
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Old 12-06-2007, 12:50 AM
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@cheathamlane & Zephyr, and to everybody who cares about my 2? :P

Loved the idea/concept of the site. Personally I think that what you're asking for the plug-ins is just a small incentive and not the real cost, I don't know how much a Flash license is these days, but I'm certain that it's a bit more than 25$.

In a commercial project, I would have to think if I wanted to reinvent "the wheel" or just buy a plug-in that does what I need and save time.
But in a Hobby context Sam Rohn does have a point, maybe restricted versions of the plug-in's would keep the more "conservative" people happy

But in the end, no matter if they're free/0$/5$/10$/15$/20/ or even 50$ the plug-in's are great keep the great work, flashpanos.com is already added to my bookmarks and my RSS reader
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I would like to thank everyone for the feedback. Good, bad, or ugly.... sincerely.

Sam Rohn, and PauloGGPX, I don't know how exactly a restricted, hobby-ist version of the plug-in would work, but I am certainly open to the concept. How do you envision that working? what restrictions etc?
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Old 12-06-2007, 05:46 AM
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thanks patrick, your presence and participation here was one of the things that kind of brought me on board, as you seem to always be somewhere in close proximity to the cutting edge

and zephyr, i remember your cooking up the tooltip plugin overnight, after a question by me if such a thing were possible, and offering it free to all FPP users -

i am not at all familiar with what's involved with creating these plugins, or the ability to restrict/enable certain features, hard coding url access, watermarking, etc but i imagined something like limiting configurability, perhaps an expiration date, maybe limited url access for reg'd free non-commercial use demo ?

the vast majority of my pano's are for me, not for work, the only reason i actually started using fpp was because a client requested hotspots, & qtvr hotspots were not versatile enough, then they wanted flash, then xml configurability of the hotspots, custom hotspot mouseovers, the project had a deadline, etc......

anyway, the final project is here - http://www.brides.com/promotions/dreamhouse/virtualtour

i didn't do the site, just the pano photos, controller, & xml, and unfortunately did not have time to get the tooltips working properly, i'll be polishing it up a bit for inclusion in my own site however, as im kind of hooked on fpp now

keeping those who cannot afford or justify the cost in the game is a good thing though, as it makes for a larger gene pool and all that, free & demo software is always a good draw...

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